The Cougar Manifesto
I drop my keys on the kitchen table and take a deep breath.
“Damn I’m tired, but I got to hit the gym”
I change into my gym clothes, then grab my iPod in a zombie like trance. I leave my apartment, re-entering the frigid cold weather that I just escaped from to head to the gym.
Inside the gym, I walk passed the cardio machines. I don’t talk to anyone at the gym, as it’s my time of the day to work out and relieve the stress of the work day.
However, my male instincts cause me to check out the cute girl selection on the bicycles, elliptical and treadmills. I immediately spot a petite perky blonde girl, and I smile a little inside.
As I walk to the locker-room to drop off my jacket, something catches my eye. I spot a girl wearing tight black leotards with a matching black tank top. She’s taller than the other girls, and her shape is phenomenal. Her ass is perfect, as my mind starts to imagine how smooth it would be across my palm.
She has long brunette hair, just past her shoulders. Her face is aged, but she is an absolutely sexy woman. She’s slightly sweating (rather glowing), and looking tired from her work out.
“There’s no ring in that finger!”, I think quietly to myself. I’m ecstatic about this discovery, but begin to lose focus on my workout, and gaining more focus on hers.
She has to be in her 40s, yet the looks of the young girls around her pale in comparison. I get nervous thinking about this woman. Imagining her naked has my heart pounding. She could probably teach me things that I would’ve never dreamed of!
My sets on the bench press are horrible. She’s been on my mind, and focusing on anything but her is a waste of time. I see her get off her treadmill, and walk over to the water foundation to get a sip of water.
Little do I know that while I’m thinking about her naked wet body, she’s wanting a young energetic fun man to sweep her off your feet.
Think about it for a moment.
Why else would she be working out for that slim body?
It’s because she wants to impress the good looking young men like myself. She’s not doing this for the old overweight libido-lacking men.
She needs to do this to compete with the young slender girls that are running around in the clubs. However, unlike those girls, this woman carries herself in a way that displays confidence and independence.
The majority of men fantasize and often wonder what it would feel like to be with an older women. It’s a fantasy that rarely comes into fruition, unfortunately.
Why cant men fulfill their fantasy with Mrs. Robinson?
Many of my friends have told me they would love being with a sexy older woman; but they can’t comprehend it in their reality. I’ve talked to a lot of men, and the main problem is that they are intimidated. A lot of guys would rather have a younger girl with less experience, in order to feel superior and fulfilled. But they’re missing out big time, and quite frankly, they’re going about this all wrong.
The cougar has been around for decades, but was often ostracized as too taboo. That all changed when Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher broke the mold and the idea of younger men having a sexual or sometimes committed relationship with older women became more acceptable in society. Today, Courtney Cox stars in the popular sitcom, Cougar Town, where she dates younger men all the time. It’s a hit among many Americans (Hell, even my mom DVRs it and this is a little frightening for me, haha).
I’ve dated many older women that have enriched my life with several fun and amazing experiences. Therefore, through my own experiences and observations, I want to give you the insights I’ve accumulated throughout the years.
The Cougar Manifesto
Cougars Want A Man To Do The Same Things He Would Do For A Younger Woman
That’s right guys, there is no secret formula to ravishing hot cougars. All women, at any race and age, need the same thing. When you approach a cougar or go on a date with them, they are still looking for a dominant, charming, decisive, fun guy…just like any other woman! This is extremely important. Being dominant, leading, and decisive will do a couple of things for you. She’ll realize that you truly are a man despite the age difference, and she will allow you to lead like one. Showing your masculinity is going to score you major points because not only are women universally submissive and indecisive, but a younger man expressing his masculinity despite the age difference is extremely attractive. It shows that no circumstances will stop you from being alpha.
You Are Allowed To Be More Direct And Up Front Than Usual
An advantage we have with older women is that we can be more direct and up front about our sexual intentions. These women are past the stage of feeling judged or worrying if they look “easy”. Furthermore, a lot of cougars are newly divorced with kids of their own and jobs to support them. They do not have the time or the energy to worry how they appear to society. Not in every case, but the majority. They lead extremely busy lives, therefore they are more responsive to men that approach them in a more direct sexual manner; unless those men are really obnoxious about it. Use your common sense, and don’t become a crazy horny sleezeball. Getting an older woman home might not be as easy as a younger girl, but at least there’s more leniency when it comes to directness.
Try To Go For Divorcees, Rather Than ‘Never Been Married’ Cougars
Through my experience, I’ve always had amazing sexual experiences with women who are newly divorced, rather than women that have never been married. I always asked myself why until I had an interesting experience with one woman. This woman named Lisa and I had met for a date where we ended up back at her place for some hot passion times. Post-coil, she looked at me sincerely and said, “Thank you…I really really needed that”. I realized that she didn’t say that because I got her to orgasm, but because she had felt beautiful and sexy again. And I made her feel that way. It was a truly beautiful moment for the both of us.
So when you’re hanging out with a newly divorced woman, the majority of the time she just needs no-strings-attached sex action to “get her groove back”. She wants some fun, and she wants to be reminded how sexy she was before her ex-husband destroyed that. Understand too, she just got out of a serious relationship with bad memories and she will not want to jump into another serious relationship for a long time, especially with a man much younger than her.
Never been married cougars tend to have never been married for a reason. Usually they have a lot of emotional baggage or weird quirks. People that never been married can’t commit to anything; either because they’re extremely picky or they’re just fooling themselves. I’m not saying you can’t date them, but just beware.
The Less Needy You Are, The Better
You need to realize that whether your relationship with a cougar was an ‘one night stand’ or ‘friends with benefits’, not being clingy or needy is extremely important. Why? Because a lot of cougars are independent. They have jobs, children, and some of them have gotten out of a bad marriage, and the last thing they need is another needy man. So remember, their CHILDREN AND WORK WILL ALWAYS GO AHEAD OF YOU, no matter how special you are to her.
Dealing With Congruence Tests
This aspect is interesting because congruence tests from cougars can be dealt with in different ways, depending on how the test is delivered. If you have spent any time talking to cougars, the first test they will throw at you will be age. I’ve heard them all- “Aww, you’re like a baby” or “Oh my God! You are too young for me, get away!”, etc. They will try to put you in the child frame, and a lot of guys who don’t know how to pass these tests will engage the woman logically. WRONG. I will usually do two things. I will simply say “Oh cool, anyway…” and just keep moving the conversation along and ignoring it. Or I will actually reverse the frame on her by telling her that she’s my new cougar, and that we’re going to have amazing sex. I’m saying this in a playful way, and I’m physically escalating as well. Passing a test while escalating at the same time really proves that you don’t care about her irrational objections. She’s throwing these tests because she’s actually interested in you, and wants to see that you’re the real deal. Plus many older women have fantasized about being with a younger man, but may be a little defensive to act on it. Just be cool, pass the tests, have fun, lead and you will be fine.
Now you have to be careful about the way she’s throwing the test. Sometimes cougars will try to convince you that they’re too old or not attractive enough. They’ll usually say “There are so many hot girls here, what do you want with an old woman like me?” If you’re thrown this curveball, then you need to really QUALIFY her. Meaning, you should tell her what you like about her because she feels as though she’s not good enough for you. Older women will feel like this sometimes, especially if they are divorced and have felt unattractive for years. This is what happens in marriages that ended due to the husband cheating on her.
I’m generalizing the type of congruence tests just as an illustration. The responses to these types of tests will come through your own calibration and reference experiences.
Keeping Your Cougar Around
Lastly, after you’ve hit it off with an older woman, there are a few things that you should remember to keep her around-
1) Never complain to her if you aren’t together enough. She has a lot going on in her life, especially if she has kids. She will not ditch them for you, so just deal with it.
2) Older women are looking to have fun and sex (they’re at their sexual peak), but they still want someone who is mature. Being mature, young, and fun are an amazing formula for a cougar.
3) If you’re a fun, mature, and masculine guy….she will not want to lose you. Men her age don’t have the stamina to keep up with her. This is a great advantage for a young guy. Tell her how sexy she looks, give me a good time in the bed, and don’t be clingy. You will gain so much emotional value that she’ll want to keep you as her boy-toy for a long time.
I hope this has been helpful. Do not be intimidated. Cougars are looking for men that will sweep them off their feet, and they need that more than any other girl.
Guest Post by Fred Moody
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Good article. I think that MILFs are highly underrated, especially online there is so much on how to attract younger women for guys over 35, but very little good info for a younger dude lookin’ to hook up with a cougar… I thought your list was spot on bro
Hey, that’s the girl from Friday Night Lights right? Damn She’s hot.
Yeah, that’s a cool realization to share. “Think about it for a moment. Why else would she be working out for that slim body?”
No idea, never watched Friday Night Lights. I got the image from a Google search for MILFS, haha.
As a “cougar” myself, I beg to differ in that she may be working out for that slim body for “herself” and not a man, younger or older
naw, you’re wrong. women go to the gym to look good for men. it’s popular for divorced women especially.
Thank you Craig, for telling Cami (who I assume is a woman) why women do things, lol.
Pick Up has a saying, “Don’t listen to what women SAY they want, look at what they RESPOND to.” So anytime a woman disagrees with Pick Up theory, we must be wrong, lol. The problem is that most of Pick Up theory was designed to work on young insecure women. Older women can run rings around Pick Up “game” because we see right through it.
I’m speaking from experience. I used to wing for members of the San Francisco Lair and even the top PUA’s game had no effect on me. It was amusing but a bit sad to watch the incorrect assumptions they had about women, actually.
I applaud the author for advocating what should be obvious–that older women rock. But I’ll say what I’ve said before…routines that assume a woman is low self-esteem and is obsessed with what men think of her will attract…uh…low self-esteem women who are obsessed with what men think of her. If that’s who you want to bed and/or date, more power to ya!
However, if you want to spend some time with a quality older woman (or younger woman for that matter) you might want to rethink some assumptions you have about “all women,” many of which are, frankly, laughable to a secure, mature, healthy woman lacking in co-dependent drama.
I agree with Jake.
My current gf of 2 years is a MILF,and a lot of what you said in this article Phred in spot on[cougars appreciate more directness].
The congruence test section is off. Complying with older women is a tingle killer. They don’t want an understanding gentleman, they want a young guy who’s full of himself and DTF. The next time you’re chatting up a cougar, either pre-empt by saying “yeah, you’re really old” after asking her about her music tastes or whatever. Another one that always works is to actually reach out and touch the wrinkles around her eyes, snickering rudely. If you do it in a playful way, she’ll act offended but you’ll be in.
Hey Disconnected, first off, thank you for your time reading this!
I understand where you might be coming from, but I feel like your ways of passing the tests seem more insulting than portraying yourself as a confident man. Maybe its different to see in person, who knows…
Girls, at any age, give congruence tests to men (subconsciously or not) to make sure that they are truly the man they display themselves as, and not a falacy.
My responses to tests are not to be understanding, but to tell her that these tests dont even PHASE ME. I either blow it off and continue my flirting, or I’ll become more direct with her to tell her I’m the real deal. Either way, the end result is that I’m not negatively affected by her tests. I know I’m da shit, and I know I want her.
If your ways of doing things work for you consistently, than kudos. Being confident, fun/playful, and letting her know you have a DICK is a universal truth. My ways work for me, and yours will work for you.
I can only imagine the insecure approval seeking emotionally needy vampires you’ve been attracting with such charms. A cougar woman KNOWS her worth. If you even manage to get an iota of her time she’ll watch you bury yourself with these techniques right in front of your face and laugh to herself about it later….or perhaps with one of your friends.
props on the article, gonna find me a cougar tonite
GREAT and COMPLETE
This article lacks depth and a true understanding of the principle of woman…and it may lead alot of young men to believe in these enlarged generalizations…the women I know of who are fun, playful and conscious, do not behave in this way..also when I first started getting back into the dating scene, I met up on men who studied PUA material, too bad more young men cannot be taught the true reality of womanhood.
Would be interested what you have to say Nicole, dont just tell him he’s wrong, provide some positive guidance, or atleast a link to where all these PUA guys can learn about the “true reality of womanhood”
I love this – it’s very rare that you can actually read what a true CUB thinks and has experienced – xoxo
Since I was 16 years old I have dated older women and slept with many marry women and way before Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher.
By the time I reached 38 years old I switch to younger women that were 20 years younger than I.
I’m turning 50 and women between 20 – 40 still date me and even want serious relationships. However, I make it clear that I enjoy being single.
Hmmm, I am not quite a cougar yet (38 yo) according to my cougar friends, but I find this article interesting as I near 40 as a single woman. You know, I can’t agree or disagree with some of the things on here being that each individual is different. I find as I get older, my vision is clearer regarding what I want from life. I know that never having been married can’t be simplified in the above terms really.
Yes, libido rises in a woman’s mid-30s, but a strong (I and I mean mentally) companion can’t be underrated. Be a gentleman when you approach an older woman and don’t treat her like a sex object unless she indi ates that that’s what she wants. Can’t tell yoi how annoyed I’ve gotten at younger guys who tell me they have always dreamt about being with an older woman like that’s supposed to make me wanna be their goodwill ambassador to cougar ville.
Dear Fred,
I feel your heart is in the right place in writing this article and your book, but as Miss Cougar International, I have to agree with the other women who have commented that your insights into older women are on the whole, way off. I used to work as a wing for the San Francisco Lair, so I know a great deal about Pick Up. You make the same mistakes I saw a lot of the other PUGs making. You experiment to see what works with women (in this case older women) and then you write about what works, and that’s fine, but you miss the mark entirely once you start theorizing on WHY these things work and demonstrate a seriously lack of understanding about how women think and feel about themselves and the world.
I wonder, did you consult any older women before your wrote this?
it’s too bad, because I truly believe you are trying to help both younger men and older women, but you’ve only succeeded in spreading a wider gap in understanding between them by assuming you can speak for older women.
Also, I know Pick Up is into the principle of not just saying what’s wrong behavior, but in encouraging what’s right behavior, but that conversation is so big, I’ll just refer you to MY book coming out later this year, lol.
Yours,
Amy Luna Manderino
Miss Cougar International
Amy,
This isn’t “theory” or something Fred decided to make-up because had nothing else better to do.
Everything Fred writes is based on his experience…in the REAL world with the relationships he’s had with different older women.
We’ve had dozens upon dozens of men who’ve read Fred’s e-book and reported how successful his approach was in helping them with cougars. You may or may not want to believe that his approach works…but the proof is in the pudding. Just yesterday, we had a college kid tell us he lost his virginity to a sexy cougar, and now this cougar can’t keep his hands off him.
JT’s thoughts actually support my observations. Time and time again, I saw men in the Pick Up community decide that if Pick Up didn’t work on SOME women, there must be something wrong with THOSE WOMEN. Again, Pick Up Gurus assume to know more about women than we know about ourselves, i.e. “Don’t listen to what women SAY watch what they RESPOND to,” right?
Men using routines should realize that they are designed to work on a particular type of woman who will respond to them. That means you are self-selecting a certain type of women, because different women are very different. If you keep self-selecting low self esteem insecure women who respond to these routines, then that’s who you’ll end up being with. Fred himself describes these women as low self esteem in his article. And according to JT, if a woman isn’t low self esteem then she’s into “non masculine guys,” lol. Btw, I’m actually into super masculine men. My boyfriend is a 26 year old Iraq Marine veteran and we’ve been together for over 3 years. We are great lovers and also best friends.
Self-selecting insecure women is fine if your goal is to get laid. But if your goal is to eventually be happy with a quality, high self-esteem secure woman, you’re just sabotaging yourself by learning the wrong game for quality women and also because you will start to dislike women since you only ever experience being with the needy ones that Pick Up works on.
You can see this in JT’s disrespectful tone towards me in his letter. This is the type of us vs. them combative tone I see in men towards women once they’ve drunk the Pick Up Koolaid for too long, lol.
I think Pick Up does do a great service to men in giving them access to tools they otherwise would not learn. I’ve just seen too many souls wrecked for future relationships by adopting the arrogant attitude towards women I see unconsciously manifested by Fred and JT. I’m glad Pick Up helps men bond to each other, but be careful of developing an “us vs. them” attitude toward all women–especially the ones who disagree with you!
At some point you have to ask yourself, do you want to get laid or do you want to be happy? Think in terms of the “long game” of life.
Good luck and I hope all of you find the Cougar of your dreams. If she thinks for herself, you’re in for the ride of you life!!
Amy Luna Manderino
Miss Cougar International
Hey Amy! First off just want to thank you for your input, it is an honor to have a miss cougar international noticing my work.
First off I’d like to say that I don’t use or promote using pick up lines and
Routines.
Now on to the part about the divorcees vs never been married women. Quite frankly, this was all based on experience I had with dating many older women. Common sense should say that you shouldnt absolutely take my word as gospel. If a guy meets a cougar who has never bee married she could be a great woman! This was just based on past experiences I had. Take what’s useful to you in this article and disregard what doesn’t
Work.
The main point I wanted to make writing this article is that men should always act
Like MEN no matter how old the women is. Women still want a
Strong man whether she’s 20 or 40. Being a man means making the move and leading. Cougars today
Should not be portrayed as the “Mrs Robinson” major aggressive women. Women of any age want to be treated with respect and class. I hope any young man reading my material does so.
I also wanted to show men that cougars may have a heavy work life or kids and that they should respect those things. Therefore men should not be needy
Don’t assume a woman of my chronological age is out to pasture Mr. Moody. What most people don’t understand is the truly seasoned woman, the crone,is in her sexual mastery and prime. How could we not be given our experience and wisdom?
A “cougar” decades before the term was coined, I don’t appreciate being labeled, but I’ll always prefer to date younger men for countless reasons, too many to list here.
You are spot on regarding respect. This cougar phenomenon brings with it an aura of ‘reality show mentality’ which I find disturbing.
My cougar articles on my website speak worlds.
Ms.Manderino, you make some excellent points. Bravo.
Joan Bunney
Author
Motivational Speaker
Advocate/Activist for Social Change
http://www.SexyInYour60s.com
http://facebook.com/sexycrone
http://facebook.com/sexyinyour60s
The REAL Fred,
I’m glad you enjoyed my input, but the thanks should go to whoever on your marketing team contacted me last week and asked me to review this article.
In your article you state about older women,
“Why else would she be working out for that slim body?
It’s because she wants to impress the good looking young men like myself.”
“Not only are women universally submissive and indecisive…”
“People that have never been married can’t commit to anything; either because they’re extremely picky or they’re just fooling themselves.”
Then added in your comments to me
“This was just based on past experiences I had. Take what’s useful to you in this article and disregard what doesn’t work.”
Hmmm…
I wonder how the men of color reading this would feel if I wrote an advice article to neighorhood watch captains that said something like
“When approached by a young black man in a hoodie, he’s probably going to aggressively attack you, so be prepared. Why else would a young black man be walking in an affluent neighborhood? Besides, everyone knows black men are universally aggressive.”
and then added…
“Of course, this is just based on my experience. Take what’s useful and disregard what doesn’t work.”
Stereotyping leads to bigotry, divisiveness and lack of understanding that can lead to tragic consequences. Pick Up regularly does this with regard to biological sex and if women try to contradict the assumptions made about us, the Pick Up Gurus roll their eyes and give the universal answer, “Don’t listen to what women SAY they think,” because we are all also universally incapable of thoughtfully commenting on our own responses. Or, if we do contradict sexist assumptions, we are told we are not attractive because obviously we want to wear the pants in the relationship, since we are not obediently following our gender role assigned to us by the Pick Up Artists, lol.
There is a reason I won three Miss Cougar titles at three different contests. Because just as women like confident, funny, decisive, charming fun men, men like confident, funny, decisive, charming fun women. Because those qualities aren’t about being male or female, they are about being a mature, attractive adult. Yes, there are insecure older women. There are insecure younger women. There are insecure older and younger men, too. There are also secure people of all genders and ages.
I can say that I meet a lot of younger men in my public appearances and their game has universally gone downhill since young men started buying the media hype that older women are all vain, desperate, submissive, indecisive and low self-esteem with poor body image craving attention from any male who will grace us with the honor. The quickest way a man blows himself out of a set with me is assuming I’m this needy woman. It tells me he is miles away from understanding a woman like me.
And in case you think I’m an exception, consider this. Last weekend The Hunger Games broke records as the highest grossing non-sequel movie opening of all time. Ask yourself if your stereotype of women’s psyches applies to Katniss Everdeen, the strong, independent female protagonist already loved by millions of women and men of all ages worldwide. And then consider that her character was created by, yep, a woman in her forties just like me.
Fred, as I said, I do believe you are trying to help younger men and older women. But you are helping neither by creating black and white thinking that only serves to widen the gender gap and lessen men’s chances of having healthy relationships with mature desirable women.
Best to you,
Amy Luna Manderino
Miss Cougar International
P.S.
In a nutshell, I appreciate that you are trying to dispel the false stereotype that older women are sexually aggressive, but doing so by saying older women are universally submissive is equally flawed.
Healthy satisfied sex with a loving partner requires communication, respect and confidence on both sides. The tired, outdated “predator/prey” paradigm of sexuality will get you into trouble in the long run no matter which gender you assign which role.
I was going to retort but in all honesty….this is sucking the life out of the article. This was supposed to be light hearted and fun but man you really know how to destroy something.
This is the last time I’m commenting because I honestly don’t care
Enough lol
There are exceptions to everything in life. Who cares….let’s focus our attention on other stuff in life as this is really going nowhere
“if we do contradict sexist assumptions, we are told we are not attractive”
“man you really know how to destroy something”
lol
To the author(s),
I am the boyfriend of Amy Luna Manderino. I have read the article as well as the comments and overall like the attempt at helping young men like myself find a way to play better at “The game”. However I would like to say that there a a few mistakes that have been made in your assumptions. First off there is no universal answer to bedding a cougar. Using the techniques and thought processes stated in your article and subsequent comments will only lead to a sexual relationship with a certain stereotype. In this case men will act more like simple cubs and if anything are in a position of weakness not strength. I would prefer to teach men to be “Cougar Hunters” rather than cubs. My analogy for this argument would like saying you are a great batter because you consistently drill 80mph fastballs at the batting cage. Any successful, professional batter would tell you that there is much more to the game than that. You must know curves, sliders, knuckle balls, and how to hit pitches of varying speeds. I have had relations with cougars that were married, divorced, never married, professional and not. Simply going to a bar and hitting on every woman there until one will sleep with you brings your batting average way down. I think it is much more productive to watch and learn (without being a creep) and then plan your moves accordingly. There are dumb sluts in every age group and across both sides of the gender line. Bedding a slut is not an achievement, it is to be expected. For example, I once dated a woman who was a big actress in the 80′s, I picked her up on a dating site, and things went from there. I did not talk about how much I could bench or how big my dick was, instead I asked what interested her and had an intelligent conversation about it without pandering. She would normally have 20 to 30 messages in her inbox from men that spoke to her like she was an object. As she admitted sometimes she would respond to them and have sex with them, but, this was not out of interest in them per say, but rather because SHE could use THEM as sexual objects and throw them away. It was me who was consistently invited to her house, flown to Vegas, brought to prominent L.A. VIP clubs and used as a sexual partner multiple times. I stood apart because I took the time to show an actual interest in her. If your overall point is to just teach men how to bed a certain type of woman, than the article did not need to be written at all. If a man cannot figure out for himself how to bed a slut he should just give up. lol Also, someone here assumed that because Amy was intelligent and well spoken that she was interested in “Sissy men” or something to that respect though it appears the comment was taken down. To that I would like to reply that as a teen I was a boxer, a swimmer, and a football player. After that I was a store manger and then became a United States Marine Corps infantryman. I saw two combat tours in Iraq, and have been no stranger to the occasional bar room brawl. This wasn’t me trying to pump myself off or do an “I am better than you” type of argument. I am merely trying to represent myself accurately as well as be able to shed some light on some of the things I feel you may have missed in writing this article.
Thank You for Your Time,
Johnathan Pebley
Our take on Cougar Game: “There are a lot of young girls here at (club/bar) tonight, but YOU are sexy. What do you say we get out of here and split a bottle of wine back at my place?” Be Amazing,
JR
are you serious lol
I appreciate what the article is conveying. However, in regards to:
“Never been married cougars tend to have never been married for a reason. Usually they have a lot of emotional baggage or weird quirks. People that never been married can’t commit to anything; either because they’re extremely picky or they’re just fooling themselves. I’m not saying you can’t date them, but just beware.”
is offensive to those of us (most of us?) who have other valid reasons. Such as perhaps just plain not wanting to? We’re no “weirder” than anyone else, and may have been in totally happy committed relationships in the past, thank you very much.
Sorry Kate, but he is spot on. ““Never been married cougars tend to have never been married for a reason. Usually they have a lot of emotional baggage or weird quirks. People that never been married can’t commit to anything; either because they’re extremely picky or they’re just fooling themselves…” My wife has a dozen of never-married, over 40 friends who are just BSC. They have lists for what they want in a guy 2 miles long, always find something wrong with a guy and are control freaks. They have cats, post pics of themselves daily on FB , love to talk about how entitled they are and wil lnot settle for just any guy and go home to an empty house – condo – apartment every night wondering why they are so lonely.
You have to tell what they want hear and then easy lay.